Handling Female Characters
Much thanx, to Foxy Woxy for the topic seed.
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My opinions about handling females isn’t set in stone, it might be one way or the other on any given Sunday.
Right now, I believe most female characters are handled by guys. Why? I never understand why. I guess there’s nothing creepy about pretending to be a fake female wrestler on the internet if you’re a hetero male. Who am I to judge? I support the right for males that pretend to be female wrestlers to marry as well. I prefer the right to abortion tho. Kidding.
I don’t know, I’ve seen some creative things in my time, I won’t lie. You don’t need to feel like an outcast or weirdo for handling females, it’s pretty common in fact. The only problem usually is the sterotype that there isn’t any real females in ewrestling, when a girl comes along claming to really own a vaj, she is almost always questioned by someone. Mostly by men who prolly want her vaj.
I happen to know there ARE real females in ewrestling and oddly enough they are usually dominant writers. Talk about bizzaro world!
Yeah, I’m a chauvinist. But it’s pretty fair to say that if you look at the best of ANYTHING, it’s most likely a male. Name one main category that a man isn’t leading at the top of the list. Name ONE! (And keep that shit to yourself)
But that lines thins out in the area of writing. While many of the greatest authors in the world are indeed male, you have to look at the success of J.K Rowling and question what a true great writer is. Rowling might write about wild, dramatic pretend characters… wait… pretend characters… drama… is there a pattern? Could it be that women are dominant when making shit up? lol
Now that we have established that women are better at making up drama than men, we can no longer say that men are better at EVERYTHING, happy ladies?
Seriously, tho. In ewrestling I’ve held a few large tournaments that saw a female win at least once. So females are on equal grounds, right? Brings me to my next subject.
SHOULD FEMALES GET EQUAL SHOTS IN FEDS?
While I’m all for giving a girl a nice shot, in every sense of the word, the world wants to know if a girl should get the same title shots as a guy.
In the REAL world of wrestling a female is not as strong and at least in the US, they are not as technically inclined as a male in the ring. That’s just the way it is, sister, don’t get mad at reality or the bearer of it.
You put a 6 foot girl against a well trained, 5 foot 9 guy and he’ll most likely dominate her.
You put a well trained 6 foot girl against a poorly trained 6 foot 3 guy and I’d put money on the guy to pull it off.
Women are just not meant or built to fight. They can be HIGHLY trained and HIGHLY skilled, but when compared to a man of similar training there usually isn’t a comparison. I can’t think of any. If you took a legit top 20 list of the BEST wrestlers in the world, can you honestly put any women in that list? Please let me know if you can and I want to see this woman in action for myself.
A lot of guys will bring up Japan, but come on, everyone is the same size and build in Japan. Sorry lol.
But Japan, they say that the women are better than the men. I have done some brief research (read: Youtube) and I see some interesting women matches, but I don’t see “better”, I see real good or sometimes equally good.
I think I digress. I think.
Does any of this add up to a women legitimately getting a title shot that a man would get?
Purists might say no. I like to think outside of the box. This is ewrestling, a girl can out write a guy in a lot of cases. She should get the same push, pull and yank that a guy gets, period. There’s no reason that physics should apply in a game on the internet.
I do understand that many fed-heads like to remain as close to the real thing as possible, but what is your example of the “real thing”. WWE? TNA? Do these places regulate how you fed?
Let’s take another direction. Do you think it’s impossible for a woman to beat a man for a world title? I don’t think anyone can honestly answer this question with a yes. So why not let her hang with the big dogs?
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4 comments
LJ on December 13, 2009 at 12:50 am
I have five female handlers in my fed four on the roster the other is my co owner. I would place any of these ladies up against a male handler any day of the week. Since this is fantasy we can think outside the box in that a female can beat a male in a wrestling match.
I also have a male handler on my roster who handles a female character in fact all of his characters I ever worked with have been female.
Sky on December 16, 2009 at 6:51 pm
I believe that female characters should have the same opportunities as male characters. I say this because, simply put, this is a work of fiction. Not only that, but the whole concept of “realism” is thrown out the window as soon as people start muddying the emulation of wrestling with things like:
a) 24/7 promo-upload channels
b) guys who fly home to Helsinki every week only to magically make it back for 2-3 shows a week
c) characters that are ninjas or mobsters or Hollywood movie stars who wrestle as a side-job.
Even if one wanted to keep things to just a matter of the in-ring material and say that women shouldn’t realistically put up a fight against a man… that’s some pretty arbitrary realism. Let’s face it, that same realism should say that the 5′7″ 164 pound high-flying WB model that one dude is using should have only a 5% chance of even staggering the 7 foot 310 pound dude, if we’re going by realism. That the 6′5″ 290 pound powerhouse who’s spearing and spinebustering and Brainbustering his way through the roster shouldn’t also be performing Moonsaults and Spinning Back Kicks and Springboard Dropkicks as though he were Bruce Lee. And, even if that’s not happening in your fed, no one in the game can honestly say that their e-fed doesn’t engage in the time-honored denial of realism that is BOTCHING ONE’S OWN MOVES.
If female characters shouldn’t be allowed to be booked against or have a fair chance to win against males, and that’s based on some arbitrary application of the “Realism Doctrine,” then the BS needs to stop and realism needs to be applied to all the other parts of the game where we don’t enforce it.
Kut on December 28, 2009 at 1:43 am
Those are all good points Sky. You should write something up on this. I am surely not the sole voice in this.
You are a good writer as well.
Sky on December 29, 2009 at 4:10 am
I don’t have a blog, but I wrote a longer post about this on the PTC boards a few years back when the question came up there. I’ll direct link and post here, as well.
http://community.primetimecentral.net/showpost.php?p=203464&postcount=71
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Hm… I believe that I used a team of females that had the powerhouse and the high-flyer, both of whom would just hit really hard as well. In Action! and The Squared Circle, there was Tanya who was about 6′ and 180 pounds. She was capable of lifting them and whatnot, but she was an unusually muscular woman and most of her opponents were cruiserweights so throwing around someone who was less than 40 pounds heavier than her wasn’t much different than Chris Benoit doing German Suplexes like crazy to 300 pound men. Xiao was the one who’d do all the crazy kicks and flips (pretty much if K-Wolf was in a permanent tag team) to people, but she was the standard martial artist so for her low weight of 120ish, she’d hit hard. And again, because her heaviest opponents barely scratched 240 it would never be that “Trish vs. Viscera” scenario (and even at that, she let Tanya deal with the heavy guys unless she could sneak in with a good dropkick). In either case, neither female was sold as untouchable; they had flaws in their fighting styles that the other had to cover for, hence their being in a tag team. And since they were still relatively small compared to most wrestlers in the industry, they weren’t put over as indestructible or anything. Tanya was very susceptible to anything you hit her with. She’d just be trying to hit her opponent first.
Maybe that’s another question we should be dealing with. Go back to that Trish vs. Viscera thing, since that’s the first thing I saw brought up. Viscera is tall and fat. Fine. He’s gotta fall onto Trish in order to win because standing up, her small stature, greater speed and versatility, and harder strikes (pound for pound) will give her the advantage. We’ve gone over this. But look at Viscera. Do we really know how well he’d do in a fight with anyone? I prefer the examples of Orton or HHH or Shelton Benjamin, but then we look at the example of Bruce Lee as has been brought up. An individual’s striking power can be great, and women are, pound for pound, harder hitters than men. It’s been discussed back on pages 1-2. But then focus on the person getting hit. How do you really “train” to take a punch to the face? You don’t, you just take it and hope you’re tough enough to not get knocked out. Trish would destroy Viscera because it would be easier for her to turn it into her kind of fight. Against a more agile opponent, she’d have a bit more trouble, but she’d be incompetent to try to fight on another person’s terms.
Style vs. style: Tae Kwon Do vs. Brazilian Jiujitsu. Figure both are first-level black belts. Do you really think that the person trained in TKD is going to attempt a ground battle? Of course not, he wants it standing up where he has a chance of doing some damage. Conversely, the BJJ practiitoner will do everything in his power to take it to the ground where a choke or joint lock will result in a quick win.
Trish will do what she needs to do, in a complete free-form fight, to stand a competitive chance against anyone. Even more options, such as scratching, biting, etc. are available to her in a shoot, but we’re not really dealing with that. We’re not even dealing with Trish. We’re dealing with a 120 pound woman against a man who will usually be anywhere from 70 to 200 pounds heavier than her. The cruiserweights are bigger, but she’ll do what she needs to in order to win, and if she’s well trained, she can hold her own. Against heavyweights, she can stand a chance so long as she doesn’t try to fight like a heavyweight. A total squash? Maybe, maybe not. Karina Wolfenden can overwhelm any opponent with a barrage of kicks. Tessa Windsor is most often sold as an aerialist, but she’s been trained in technical wrestling and submissions by a former PTC Global Title champion, so give her a spare limb and she’d do some damage to anyone. Put Shadow up against anyone seven feet tall and it will easily be seen that the woman has the absolute speed advantage and most likely an advantage in striking ability (if not striking power) to target the anatomically-weak areas of the big man and attack before he can get a hand on her or fall on her or whatever his attack plan is.
What about the 420 pound guy? Does he have the same kind and extent of training as the smaller person? Are we not taking that for granted, perhaps? Wouldn’t a much smaller person need to be much better trained to hang with a permanent 130 pound weight disadvantage than someone who just needs to fall on their opponent, whoever that may be? Someone who’s the size of “Great” Khali… his center of gravity is higher than most people’s heads. He has to lean down in order to hit someone with his arms, and his waist is so high compared to a much-smaller fighter that as soon as he attempts a Big Boot he’s totally telegraphed it and only a complete joke of a fighter would thus be hit.
Can we always assume that the training is equal? Must we assume this? Wouldn’t it be more likely that the 120 pound woman would be well-trained in how to handle the 450 pound behemoth, than the 450 pound behemoth is taught how to handle a well-trained 120 pound woman? Is the behemoth well-trained at all? If size does matter, then he’s just gotta get his hands on someone and the fight is over.
The smaller woman can, in fact, totally dominate the fight under the right circumstances. But those circumstances depend on the opponents, respective skill levels, fatigue, recurring injuries to work on; things like that. And it’s up to the matchwriter to actually pick up on all those things. Trish will never powerbomb Viscera, but she can scratch his eyes out or destroy his knees. Viscera will never do a Frankensteiner to Trish, but he can just punch at her or do a Samoan Drop. That said, Trish also won’t punch up at him because the power of her punches will be lost in trying to swing that high; it’s common sense. And Viscera also won’t be doing a Thesz Press to Trish because he’s only trying to win the match, not kill her. Each individual will work to their advantage within a sporting environment, not going further than they have to unless it’s in their personality, but we’re assuming that both the 120 pound woman and the 420 pound man are not going for overkill, just a three count. If the woman gets her shoulders pinned down properly, then even with strength left she won’t be able to kick out. But having 420 pounds of weight, 400 of it below the neck, does nothing to cushion your head from a strong kick, despite what WWE would have us believe.
And anyone anyone anyone anyone anyone will buckle if their legs are kicked out from underneath them. You can work out your legs all you want; a good kick at the knees is utter torture for a human being. No matter what version of the story is told, by the end of Akira Maeda vs. Andre the Giant, the commonality between them all is that the latter’s legs are tore up so bad that he comes out of the near-shoot looking worse for wear.
Written properly, anyone can beat anyone. That’s it.